the 90s, Whit Stillman seemed to be the upcoming voice of indie
comedy. His acclaimed and literate films Metropolitan,
Barcelona and The Last Days of Disco were critical
favorites and art-house smashes, giving the writer/director the
deserved reputation as "the WASP Woody Allen." However, after
the popular and critical acceptance of Disco with stars Kate
Beckinsale and Chloe Savigny, Stillman seemed to fade away, never to
be seen again in theaters. That is, until now. Well over
a decade after his last movie, Stillman is back with the quirky
romantic drama musical Damsels in Distress.
surprisingly, a group of hot young actors who were in elementary and
middle school at the time of Stillman's first ascendance signed on
the dotted line to help bring his offbeat vision back to theater
screens. Front and center was Greta Gerwig, no stranger to
eccentric brilliance herself. Less than a decade into her
career, she has become something of the first lady of the mumblecore
movement, appearing in intriguing indies like Baghead before
breaking through with her terrific work as the female lead in Noah
Baumbach's Greenberg with Ben Stiller. This led to some
fun supporting roles in the Hollywood comedies Arthur (as
Russell Brand's love interest) and No Strings Attached (as
Natalie Portman's best friend.)
Gerwig plays her first lead role in Damsels, as Violet, a
neurotic but opinionated student at the fictional Seven Oaks
University. She heads up an anti-Heathers clique of
gorgeous, well dressed girls (also including Analeigh Tipton,
Megalyn Echikunwoke and Carrie MacLemore) whose main purpose is to
save the college's students from their baser instincts with a
diligent program of personal hygiene and tap dancing. She is
always there with romantic and professional advice and runs the
campus Suicide Prevention Center - whose sign keeps losing the
Prevention. Violet argues against high expectations as the
root to unhappiness, preferring the charitable feeling of settling
for inferior boyfriends. She feels that the pinnacle of human
experience would be to create an international dance craze.
Yet, for a girl whose belief system is so strong, she is obsessively
open to being corrected.
Damsels takes a look at the tightly wound group of girls out to
save the college, and how they start to unravel when local guys
(including Adam Brody, Hugo Becker, Ryan Metcalf and Billy Magnussen)
start to romantically infiltrate their ranks.
Stillman and Gerwig recently sat down with us and a few other
outlets at the Regency Hotel in New York to discuss the film and
about fourteen years since
The Last Days of
Disco. What have you been up to? Why did you feel it was time
to make another film?
I didn't intend to take twenty-four years off. (laughs) I
decided for sure when my cash ran out. No, as Greta knows, I've
often said, it was a purely putative failure as a producer, where I
didn't go out, beat the bushes and find financing for the projects.
I left that in other hands. I would turn from one script to
another, so the positive side is, I worked on lots of scripts I like. But, I didn't really realize that nothing was going
forward until it was too late.
What did making
the film teach to you, if it taught you anything at all?
Luck is important.
This is the biggest part I've ever had. When you come in to work
every day, you'd get a call sheet. I was number one on the call
sheet, which I've never been before the first cast member. I
think that, combined with Whit's dialogue and the story, it felt
very much like a marathon run at the pace of a sprint, if that makes
sense. Making a movie is like a marathon, but we didn't have a ton
of time. It felt like endurance acting, in a way.
How many days would our shoot compare with, say an Arthur
shoot? We were a 28-day shoot, how many days did Arthur
shoot? Do you know overall, the total?
Oh, probably like 42?
Is that all?
Well, 42 plus like eight days of re-shoots. Like 50. Yes. In some
ways, it's much more fun to do a shorter shoot. It's deadly moving
at the pace of a page a day. That's a really... you can't believe
how many times you have to do a scene and how many angles they are
going to cover it with.
There's more variety in quicker?
Yeah. If you do it quicker, it's more fun. It's like doing a
little play every day. There's more to do. So, I liked it like
that. But I felt like I became a better actor at the
end of it. I'm probably wrong.
I was a huge fan
Greenberg. You have a tendency to play sort of outsider types.
Is this something you look for, or just the way it has gone so far?
(laughs) I don't [look for that].
Violet is not an outsider. She's creating her own inside.
Or trying to...
I've been tremendously lucky in the roles that I've gotten to do.
In the span of a very short amount of time, between
Greenberg and this role, those are two roles that are
totally... you wait a long time to get roles that good. (laughs)
I've gotten two already, which is pretty extraordinary. But, I
don't have any particular kind of role I'm attracted to. I tend to
just be very much interested in the writing. I'm interested in
writing more than anything else. It's the way I connect
with the characters. I get ideas from the writing. I don't often
connect through. Some actors connect to the essence of a
story or a character. Even if something is not well written,
necessarily, they can say, "Oh, I find the story so compelling" or
"There is something in the story that I really love." I have a lot
of trouble with [that]. This is badly articulated, but I
have trouble getting excited about it. Then they just
devolve into [being] just generalized. They are not people. I have
so much trouble when it's like that. I look for good writing, and
that tends to be characters who are specific. In that way, I guess,
How did you
identify with Violet?
I loved her. It's my favorite. She's my favorite character I've
ever played. I identified with her passion and her idealism. I
have that. I'm just a little less confident expressing it. But if
I have a few drinks... (laughs) Anyway...
Did you like
being in a big ensemble like this or do you prefer being more the
I like both, but I loved working in the ensemble. Also, the script
is so great, that it really felt in the
big group scenes like we were playing hot potato. We
were passing. Nobody could drop it. Everybody had to keep picking
up their cues and getting it. When we used to drive to set in the
minivan in the morning, we would just speed through our lines the
whole way there. It had that quality. We needed to be able to do
it so fast that we weren't thinking about it, because otherwise if
you stop for a second to think "What's my line?" the editing would
kind of fall apart. (laughs) So it was really fun to have a
group of people to play. It becomes like a team sport in that way,
unlike an individual event.
You wanted to do
a college comedy, but it is very different from the average college
comedy. Could you tell us a bit about how you ended up with the
Seems like a college comedy to me. (laughs) I like things
that are a little better or at least funnier than reality. I
think college can be really quite dour and discouraging for people,
even if should be great, they manage to get themselves discouraged.
So we have our fantasy college, that is really quite third-rate.
Seven Oaks University I don't think is a tip-top school. But it's
managed to attract some tip-top girls who are there. I like the
idea they are sort of comical utopians. They are going to
create their utopia, but the utopia they know is what they
imagine... the world of Grace Kelly and Audrey Hepburn and Diorissimo perfume. That's the utopia they are going to create.
They find some willing victims, because I think that the guys are
willing to go along with them.
You've been in
Europe for several years now. How much did you know about the young
actors here when it came to the casting?
I think that was good. I generally, when it comes to making the
film, I come from a place of total ignorance. But, I've tried to
make that work for our films. So, in this case, I didn't know
anyone. I had no idea if anyone would be in the film. There are
two really good casting teams involved in the film. One mostly
based in Los Angeles, and then we knew we had to make it a New York
film, based here in New York. It was just kind of a long process.
We weren't really rushed. Actually, we were helped in the fact that
Greta's agents asked if we could delay our production to go after
Arthur, because we had expected to go during the summer. In a way that was a Godsend. We really weren't ready to film. So,
we said, yes, we'll wait, even though I thought we might run into
trouble shooting a college campus during the term. It allowed
us enough time to find everyone in the cast. Priss [Caitlyn
Fitzgerald] was a late discovery.
I thought it was really sad when I thought it was going to go in the
We were going to do it without you? No.
Well, I didn't know. There was a moment that like...
Your agents were very good. I like Veronica [Gabriel], she was so
I would have not done Arthur to do this.
(surprised) Oh, really?
Well Veronica called us, and she was so nice about it. Actually, I
think I always like to delay things a little bit. Twelve years.
(laughs) To work on it a little more and make it a little
better. There's always some little change you can make.
It was nice to
see you got a small role for Taylor Nichols. Did you think about
trying to get some of the other old gang like Chris Eigeman for the
Oh... The unnamable Chris Eigeman? Oh yes, what a disappointment.
He shunned us.
Chris Eigeman and Lena Dunham aren't in the film. They should have
been. It's a bitter disappointment.
have to be punished. He was going to be Professor Ryan, talking
about the dandy tradition of literature. He would have been a much
bigger role. The actor [Doug Yasuda] did a very good job and it was
a funny casting thing.
What kind of
message did you want to make with a movie about this generation?
I like the journey of the messenger more than the message itself, so
I wouldn't want to say message. I think there is a journey of the
characters in the film. It is a journey coming up from a tailspin.
It's important that Violet has her tailspin and we go down with her
and then she has to sort of right the airplane and take off again.
I just think it's that. It's the way you deal with
a devastating blow, because she has no idea how devastating it is
going to be, the breakup with this guy who is not very impressive.
But he was very important for her.
depression a lot in the film. You have worked as a teacher. Do you
think Violet's cure tap dancing is
It's a real problem in university age people. I think some of it is
just developmental. It's a time when people's body's aren't
quite... the chemicals running through their bodies cause them to
have crazy moods. If they can just keep on going and if they are
tap dancing while they go, it will probably make it better.
Is there a
difference between kids in the States and Europe?
I've seen really nice kids in both countries. I think it's a much
nicer generation than mine was. There are different forms of
politeness and consideration on both continents. I love young
people in Europe, because there has been less mass culture pop
culture influence, though you can see it there, too. I think a lot
of that stuff I'm not seeing. I'm a bit prefatory as a teacher, so
the bad behavior I'm spared. But the crew and the cast on this film
are really wonderful.
everywhere right now. Are you surprised how big your career is
It's weird, I didn't really plan it this way. It's been wonderful,
but I think you're a bit unaware of it while it is happening in
terms of... people say at the end of the summer, you are actually
going to be in a different place than you are right now. But, I
don't know, all that stuff feels so strange. (laughs)
It depends on whether the Sambola! really takes off.
Yes, totally, my future depends on the Sambola! dance craze.
If she succeeds in starting an international dance craze, then
that's really something. That will get you in Wikipedia.
My big fear is, I keep expecting someone to write "enough with this
girl." (laughs hard)
You hope the backlash doesn't start for a while.
I feel like there's been enough backlash within. I have a lot of
backlash in myself. (laughs again) But, then, also you
think, I and my career have thus far avoided not on purpose, it's
just the way it's worked out I think a lot of actresses have that
moment. They have that one film that just like (makes an
explosion sound). Everybody says they are amazing and they are
everywhere. It's insane. I feel like I've always had people
saying, "I don't like her." (laughs more) I think that
actually keeps the boat a little on an even keel.
Who said that?
Oh, I could tell you. I have them all memorized.
Was it fun to do
the musical number at the end?
Yeah, that was the best. It was so much fun.
What kind of
characters would you like to play in the future?
Witches. Lots of witches. No, I want to perform and play really
well-written characters. I'd like to play characters that seem like
people I know.
Would you play
No. I don't think people really look at me and think tragedy.
(laughs) I've really always thought of myself as more of a
character-y actress. I really like just great [characters]. I say
witches just jokingly, but you know, those eccentric crazy older
Would you make
No, I don't make horror films.
You were in
of the Devil...
Yeah. I loved that. My head was blown off. It was fun.
Over twenty years
of work, you mainly have focused on college students or young
adults. Is there a reason you focus on that time of life?
Some of these things start as accidental happenstance. One of the
things I've found, I was fortunate that I was writing later, because
I find that it takes ten, fifteen or twenty years to process
information. I knew a lot of first-time filmmakers in their
twenties were making films about eight-year-old kids. That's really
tough, commercially and dramatically. I thought that I was
fortunate that at 37, I was making a thing about 18 year olds. So,
it's the right time for processing the memory and all that. Then, I
was doing different periods that I remembered, which were fairly
young. I do have one script where there are people of different
ages. A couple of scripts. But, I also have come to feel that it's
really interesting for people, and also it lends itself to the fact
that we are low-budget filmmakers. It's very exciting for us to
have people who are young and starting out in their careers and
don't have batteries of lawyers to negotiate with, who we really
can't negotiate with. So, it's this sort of happenstance that's
worked out to be very interesting. I think these are crossroads
periods, too, when they are forming their identities, so there's a
lot going on. For romantic stories, if people are young, it's that
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